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| daybuck 19 posts msg #107963 - Ignore daybuck |
9/9/2012 12:17:14 PM After Obama was elected, one of my co-workers commented on how proud she was. I asked her what she was so proud about and her response was that there was finally a black president and she had helped vote him into office. I asked what she like about his politics and what exactly was the draw for her to vote for him. Her response...."because he's black". I was speechless to say the least. After I regained my composure I replied with a question. I asked her.. so you voted for the most powerful man in the world and you did it based on the color of his skin!! What a nauseating thought. Today, three and a half years later, six trillion dollars deeper in debt, and jobless rates at levels that are mind boggling, we still have people that want to support Obama. What about the future of our country. Are we going to put this man back in office based on the color of his skin? What about the real questions based on his performance? Are we better off today than 4 years ago? If you ask yourself this question and answer honestly, you have to say no. I had this discussion with my wife recently and I explained to her that I couldn't understand how people could vote for Obama for a second term if they really were in touch with reality. Having been shown and watched the failures under Obama what is the draw....unless its just race? I can kind of understand support the first time around ( fresh ideas, bringing the country together, etc, etc.) but not now. Everyone makes mistakes. But to make the same mistake twice even after being shown how it was a mistake the first time, well .....they have names for these types of people! With so many failures and the country so divided at the hands of this man, who could support him? My wife answered the question and then a light bulb came on. She said the supporters are people who THINK they are better off. These are the people that wait for the mailman to run every month. All the people that are on the government dole under this president. The people that have been placed on the government payrolls because of failed Obama policies. These folks have no incentive to work. Why work when you can draw a check for not working. The sad part is it is encouraged by this administration. For every person placed on the government dole thats a vote for Obama. Sadly, this is not how this country was built and it is not a sustainable strategy. The most powerful country in the world is going down the proverbial drain. Our economy can not succeed without people working. This presidents policies are hostile toward the job creators and businesses. Businesses can not and will not create jobs until there is a path of success to travel, not the path put in place under Obama where there is no assurances of anything except government obstruction and intrusion. For all you folks that still want to vote based on skin color, lets go back a few years to another black man that we all hold in high esteem. Dr. Martin Luther King said he had a dream........ Remember what his dream was? To sum it up he said that it was his dream that one day everyone will not be judged by the color of their skin but of the content of their character. You happy with Obama's character? Obama talks a good game but hasn't delivered anything but pain and hardship. Stop being played people. He's making a fool of you. So folks, think long and hard about your future, your kid's future and this country's future when you go to the voting booth. Hopefully, we have learned from the last mistake! |
| wcurtis 56 posts msg #107972 - Ignore wcurtis |
9/9/2012 4:56:15 PM Cry – copy and paste. Cry, Cry some more– copy and paste. Cry, Cry, Cry a whole bunch more – copy and paste. Is that all you Mitt Rodney lovers can do ? Thanks to that guy from Kenya, all Americans ( even those bawl babies who think the right is right ) are a lot better off than when the Republican brain trust put this country in a nose dive. The Republicans are becoming famous for putting their party first before the good of the country ! The country that they only pretend to love so much. The Republicans in congress that just say No, to everything should be flushed totally. It makes me puke to hear millionaires cry and complain about how awful things are. Sort of like professional kid game players on strike for more millions. I’m waiting for Mitt Rodney’s new campaign promise “ Tax Blocker’s for Everyone “. |
| daybuck 19 posts msg #107975 - Ignore daybuck |
9/9/2012 6:43:41 PM Ignorance is bliss. Quit drinking the kool-aid. Do your own research and then make an intelligent decision. Stop listening to the media. Common sense is at a premium. Anyone with any common sense will tell you 4 years later and 6 trillion dollars deeper in debt that we are NOT better off!!! |
| rharmelink 81 posts msg #107978 - Ignore rharmelink |
9/9/2012 8:28:46 PM > The BASTARDS > > Feds seize gold coins worth $80 mln from Pennsylvania family: > > http://rt.com/usa/news/gold-coins-pennsylvania-family-626/ The Feds seized ILLEGALLY owned gold coins, that had been STOLEN from the mint... |
| wcurtis 56 posts msg #107988 - Ignore wcurtis |
9/10/2012 1:20:25 PM It’s like I said earlier “ Cry – copy and paste “ is all you Mitt Rodney lovers can do. Never an original thought, all you ever get is ; Quit drinking the kool-aid, stop listening to the media, ignorance is bliss, and Republiconns are the only ones with any common sense . Six trillion dollars deeper in debt – yep ! That’s the price you pay when Bush and the Republican brain trust decided to tank the economy and start looking for weapons of mass destruction. Do your own research and then make an intelligent decision – Vote for the President Barack Obama and his pal Joey. |
| daybuck 19 posts msg #107998 - Ignore daybuck |
9/10/2012 7:08:40 PM Curtis..... you are right. You vote your beliefs and your convictions. Nobody is gonna try to change your mind. Thats what makes this country so great, the ability to agree to disagree. Many have paid the untimate price for folks like you to believe what you want, say what you want, and hear only what you want to hear. |
| wcurtis 56 posts msg #108000 - Ignore wcurtis |
9/10/2012 8:56:28 PM People that disagree with other people often say the same thing “ Many have paid the ultimate price for folks like you etc. etc. “ And like you they never apply it to themselves. By the way you misspelled the word ultimate. Because I’m not voting the same as you I hope you aren’t questioning my loyalty to the good old USA. I vote and you vote – I care and you care. We are in this thing together, who ever gets elected I just hope they care. daybuck, I truly hope you have had a good year trade’n. |
| olathegolf 119 posts msg #108001 - Ignore olathegolf |
9/10/2012 9:43:53 PM Some good quotes from Thomas Jefferson: "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." ". . . whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that, whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them right." ............................................................................................................... From 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_JJLLfTR8I&feature=related From 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU ............................................................................................................... I hope we are better informed in 2012. |
| TheRumpledOne 6,530 posts msg #108023 - Ignore TheRumpledOne |
9/12/2012 1:01:01 AM FOUND ON FACEBOOK.... Your Rights & What To Do At A Roadblock Roadblocks are usually established in locations that prevent easy avoidance, offer ample parking for interrogating suspected law violators and issuing tickets, and usually in places and during times that will not cause serious traffic tie ups, although there have certainly been exceptions. The stated purposes of roadblocks are usually legalized excuses to stop and scrutinize motorists for which there would otherwise be no reason to do so. These excuses include "sobriety checks," license and registration verification, possession of insurance, proof of citizenship, and seatbelt usage. The desired effect is to establish a sense of fear and intimidation among the population. The pity is that it works, as far as the "desired effect" is concerned. Even if the courts disallow roadblocks for certain purposes, e.g. the recent cases prohibiting roadblocks from being used to identify drug users or couriers, the enforcement agencies just claim another purpose for the roadblocks and it's business as usual. The courts have gone out of their way to allow the police great latitude in what they can do, once they have you stopped and under their control. The point of the above discussion is to suggest that you engage the roadblock process from the standpoint that the current courts find them legal and a legitimate law enforcement tactic. Therefore, there is little to gain by launching into a tirade over the constitutionality of roadblocks, at least while you are stopped at one. However, this is not to say that all your rights are null and void once you enter a roadblock. First, the police do not have the authority to search you or your vehicle, not without probable cause that you have, or are committing a crime. They may ask your permission for a search — which means they do not have legal grounds to force a search. Never permit a voluntary search of your person or your vehicle. The police may try to cajole you into permitting a search. The old ruse, "if you don't have anything to hide, why object to a search?" should be ignored, or met with a response that you value your right to privacy and do not consent to a search of your vehicle. If, under any set of circumstances, the police force a search of your vehicle, assume the worse case scenario. If they can't find anything illegal in your vehicle, they may place something in your vehicle that will justify their search. This is a sad commentary on the state of affairs, but these events should be expected in a society that employs police state tactics to intimidate common citizens. Often, an involuntary search is preceded by another form of search, the once-over by the urban myth known as the infallible drug sniffing dog. Old Bowser can be relied upon to find drugs anyplace the police want to find drugs. (Yes, the dogs can detect drugs, but they can be easily manipulated or tricked into "sensing" drugs where no drugs exist, at least prior to the roadblock stop.) Most people are so relieved to be allowed to leave after the harrowing experience of having their car ravaged that they never consider launching a civil suit against the police department. If the police are persistent about searching your vehicle, you should be equally persistent in demanding that they specify what illegal item they are looking for and why they think you have it in your vehicle. If they cannot come up with plausible answers to these questions, they do not have legal grounds to even consider searching your car. The courts allow the police to detain drivers for further interrogation, but not for indefinite lengths of time. The courts seem to tolerate 20 minutes of harassment and intimidation and consider that tolerable for a suspected criminal. However, unless you ask to leave, the courts have said the police are under no obligation to tell you that you can leave. You have to ask, "Am I free to go?" If the police do not have defensible grounds to further detain you, they have to let you leave. There is no greater symbol of a society having lost its bearings than the "sobriety roadblock." It is universally admitted that roadblocks apprehend very few drunk drivers, far fewer than the same allocation of resources could apprehend during regular patrols. Again, the purposes are intimidation, using the stops as a pretence to look for other criminal activity, and to garner public relations points as a "get tough on drunk drivers" agency. DWI roadblocks are usually set up at night and can be quite unnerving with the bright lights, orchestrated show of force, and flashlights thrust in drivers' faces. All the previous comments about searches are applicable to DWI roadblocks. Also, you should not allow any penetration of your vehicle's interior space, that includes sticking a flashlight (often contains an alcohol sensor) through your window. You can be required to show the usual documentation, such as your driver's license, but you do not have to open your window any further than the space to hand it out. You do not have to answer questions about where you have been or where you are going, whether or not you have been drinking or what items are contained in your car. If you are ordered out of your car, lock the door behind you. You do not have to perform any feats of balance, answer quiz questions, or recite the alphabet. In fact we recommend that you respectfully decline to do any of these things. A so-called field sobriety test is conducted for one reason only — to develop probable cause to arrest you for drunk driving. You can not pass a field sobriety test, no matter how sober or gifted you are. If the police believe they have probable cause to charge you with drunk driving, they can coerce you to take some form of breath or chemical test to determine your blood alcohol content. You can refuse, but the penalties for refusal are often as severe as a DWI conviction. When you are first approached at a DWI roadblock, open your window slightly and wait for the officer to make his statement or ask his questions. If he simply offers the canned explanation for the stop and asks to see your license, have it ready to hand to him. If he asks any further questions, you should politely decline to enter into a discussion. Something like; "officer, I really don't approve of roadblocks and I don't care to discuss my affairs" should suffice. If the officer persists, ask for the return of your license and ask if you may leave. It's important not to answer any questions, no matter how harmless. Your willingness to answer some questions, but not others, will raise suspicion. Worse yet is to give incriminating answers to seemingly routine questions. If you set the stage in a manner that it is clear you are not going to answer questions, period, there can be no defensible reason for detaining you, based on what you said. Just answer every question with "I don't wish to discuss my affairs, may I leave now?" By law, you are not obligated to answer these kinds of questions and you cannot be detained because you refuse to chit-chat with the officers at a roadblock. If you have the time, the courage, and the confidence to verbally express your displeasure with being stopped at a roadblock, please do so. It would be a nice change of pace! |
| wkloss 231 posts msg #108041 - Ignore wkloss |
9/13/2012 10:58:47 AM The part about refusing to take a breat analyzer test raises an interesting point of law. An attorney once told me not to refuse...simply say that I am willing to take the test and that I have a constitutional right to have an attorney present during the test. Our Founding Fathers put this in the constitution because back in Merry Old England a lot of bad things happened to you when you were "questioned". Asking for your attorney to be present creates a dilemma for both sides. Driving is a privilege, not a right and your privilege may be revoked if they conclude that in effect you refused the test. You will probably have to move the case above the local level to an appeals court where they actually understand the constitution. A suspended privilege may or may not be worse than a criminal conviction. That's a personal choice and of course its better not to drink and drive. Its also a personal choice whether to put up with roadblocks and allow your constitutional rights to be violated. |
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